ACLU Triptych

The well-compensated, authoritarian management of dissent in three tweets, featuring three ACLU staff members:

This one may require translating for neophytes, so allow me:  I see too many low-status radicals I don’t like talking back to high-status liberal-tarians I like, instead of following my example of punching down and sucking up. Now go away, little nobody.

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Leftist, attacking the state:

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35 Responses to ACLU Triptych

  1. luis says:

    Glad you are writing again. Only the tree that bears good fruits get stones thrown at him.

    • Tarzie says:

      Ah, this was a bit of a throwaway. I seriously am trying to move on from this riff raff, but whenever I’m in contemplative mode, these assholes troll me with something like Romero’s editorial. The ACLU has been trashed far too little. A truly awful organization if its public representation is any example. Didn’t post it on Twitter and have no intention of discussing it there. Heard about Romero and went hunting for CS and KC tweets I’d remembered. The days of laboring over this shit are over.

      Thanks for the support, btw.

  2. Dirty says:

    Demanding pardons(because it would symbolically admit they committed crimes–albeit w/ ACLU approved impunity—is enough of a wrist slap) for torturers must be a new way of “attacking the state”. I can only imagine the PTB’s laughing at these conceited milquetoast careerist rebels. Heads so far up their own asses and into “making a living” they’re no threat whatsoever to a state they strive to make “more legit” yo!

    Looking forward to Silber’s return. Heard he’s doing better and will soon be writing again. Really miss his articulate and healthy disdain for bullshit.

    • Tarzie says:

      I can only imagine the PTB’s laughing at these conceited milquetoast careerist rebels.

      Hey none o’ that talk. Let’s take care of the state and deal with its liberal-tarian guardians in rebel drag later. What are you, a loser?

      That’s great news about Arthur. Would love him to take Romero to the woodshed.

  3. Lorenzo says:

    That ACLU piece is truly wretched.

    If the choice is between a tacit pardon and a formal one, a formal one is better. An explicit pardon would lay down a marker, signaling to those considering torture in the future that they could be prosecuted.

    In addition to being extraordinarily stupid, this sentiment really embodies a certain kind of elite liberal cluelessness. “Nothing will discourage an action in the future like retroactively sanctioning it in the past” is the sort of power-serving thinking that treats The Law like some abstract supernatural force that ensures justice is done. What else could one expect from lawyers, I guess.

    Arthur Silber eviscerated this line of thinking in one of my favorite pieces of his, “It’s Called the Ruling Class Because It Rules“: “The law is not some Platonic Form plucked from the skies by the Pure in Heart. Laws are written by men, men who have particular interests, particular constituencies, particular donors, and particular friends. Laws are the particular means by which the state implements and executes its vast powers…the weapon of the state itself — to protect, not you, but the state from threats to its own powers.”

    • Tarzie says:

      This is so Through the Looking Glass. Literally saying pardoning torturers discourages torture.

      the sort of power-serving thinking that treats The Law like some abstract supernatural force that ensures justice is done.

      That’s the essence of Constitutionalism, what Roasty calls faith in “Magic Paper.” It’s the same shit going on in their free speech absolutism and the idiotic arguments they make for it. It’s the essence of a professionalized left: change comes through exchanging information and formulating arguments about it, because this is what these professionals like to do, and elites sure as hell have no problem with that. They’ll even fund it.

      But this is a new low. Repudiating torture altogether and calling for heads — even if you don’t have the leverage for it — is not incompatible with magic paper theory. This is War is Peace territory. It’s another iteration of compliance as dissent, predicated on political reality, a la You Know Who.

      Meanwhile, their Privacy and Technology wing signs off on doxxing radicals who point out the top-to-bottom fraudulence, including the ACLU’s co-option and simulation of dissent. The ACLU is truly a full service to power organization. They’d be laughable if they weren’t so pernicious.

      • Lorenzo says:

        The Snowden spectacle has provided a lot of parallels, and I think it’s going to be a useful template for how dissent is managed, channeled, and moderated going forward.

        There are two situations in which information is released to the public. It’s been known, but now there are specific details. This is presented as a revelation, and re-stated in different permutations to retain public interest. There’s a distracting, singular focus on one set of actors: in Snowden’s case, the NSA at the expense of greater Intelligence community; in the Torture case, the Bush admin at expense of contemporary Dem complicity & Obama administration retroactive immunity.

        There’s the erasure of a constellation of related and often more serious crimes: in Snowden’s case, the bulk collection stories effectively muted things like the parallel construction story; in the Torture case, it’s erasing that what’s replaced the indefinite detention regime is assassination, and that torture is still practiced, as well as black sites, renditions, etc.

        There’s the lionizing of a reactionary figure: in this case we don’t even get Ed “I’m still working for the NSA” Snowden, we get Dianne Feinstein, whose fingerprints are on some of the worst abuses of this century. Teju Cole thanked her “for her service” in NYT yesterday. Kiriakou, who’s being hailed in all this, is as reactionary as all the other NatSec whistleblowers. His first letter from Loretto has all the usual rally-round-the-flag claptrap and a segment blasting the FBI because they’re liars, unlike the CI-fucking-A.

        There’re the reactionary solutions: in Snowden’s case, “bind them with the chains of crypto,” which is why the liberaltarians go to the mattresses for Tor—it’s presented as the logical outcome to the Snowden drama. In the Torture case, it’s appeals to reclaim our American values, as though the treatment of slaves or the Philippine counterinsurgency or Operation Phoenix were Yoo’s idea, too.

        Above all, there’s the fetish for information above all else. If only the public learns the truth, if only the lawyers who overwhelmingly our human rights groups have more direct evidence, something will change. Like you mentioned, the hallmark of the establishment left.

        And now, with this reality-inverting ACLU piece, there’s a big sign that the whole torture report release will only serve to burnish the reputations and benefit the brands of some repulsive reactionary gatekeepers and the powerful whom they serve. I have no doubt that, given the report’s timing, the Democrats will capitalize on the this as a marketing point against the incoming GOP Senate. Now that the Republicans are in charge, the poor DLC just can’t do anything about accountability or releasing the full report, so better show up at the polls come 2016. This way, they can just recycle the same arguments from the 2006 & 2008 elections. Since Hillary’s torture support is a mere Google click away, maybe Liz Warren could take up the freshly rejuvenated idea of investigating the Bush torture regime. Groups like the ACLU will keep being the face of dissent, the CIA will keep killing people.

        If there’s one thing in which the Snowden spectacle provided a lesson, it’s that these people can make any situation come out advantageously for them.

      • Tarzie says:

        This is a such a great comment, Lorenzo. You’ve really nailed the template for dissent that will be Snowden’s legacy. I love the bit about the “lionizing of a reactionary figure” and drawing a parallel between Snowden and Feinstein, which certainly suggests another trip down the same cul de sac. The scary thing is they can probably use this script indefinitely. There’s a limited window when people have the wherewithal and will to engage politically and then they move on, with another crew of suckers right behind them. The United States of Amnesia as Gore Vidal called it. It’s shocking to me that these spectacles are perceived as anything but dead ends to people of the left, but, of course, they’re mediated by people who have nothing to gain and everything to lose by calling bullshit on the whole stinking pile.

      • Peter says:

        “This is a such a great comment, Lorenzo.” — Tarzie

        Just wanted to add that it’s Lorenzo’s correct read on history, combined with astute interpretation and analysis, that makes it a great, coherent comment. Thoroughly agree.

      • Lorenzo says:

        Thanks, Tarzie, for laying the Snowden case out initially. Only because that’s been so ably dissected is it possible to apply it here. Likewise, Peter: the correct read on the Snowden story is all Rancid Honeytrap. And I do think that this schema could work indefinitely, because as you said, there are incentives for not dissembling it. For most people, the only opportunity to establish a narrative is at the outset, and once it’s imprinted, the idea is done and they move on. It’s the same reason most Americans might remember the SEALs having a firefight at bin Laden’s compound–that’s how the narrative was established, and the walking it back happens after most people aren’t engaged anymore.

        This torture case is interesting because the returns for the public are so much slimmer and the rewards for the elites so much slimier. I’m hearing the narrative that this report alone vindicates the goodness of the US, since only god’s favorite Republic could’ve produced such a noble act of introspection.

        Yesterday I saw two headlines. One was Truthdig anointing Feinstein and McCain as their progressive heroes of the week, and the other was the “news” that the CIA had wrongfully tortured an innocent German. I clicked the latter, and sure enough, it was the story of Khaled al-Masri, who’s story was made into the 2007 film Rendition, with Jake Gyllenhaal and Reese Witherspoon. Feinstein and McCain are progressive heroes for telling us a story that Hollywood already told us 7 years ago.

      • Tarzie says:

        the correct read on the Snowden story is all Rancid Honeytrap.

        By Rancid Honeytrap, I hope you mean the whole blog, including the rich commenting community that does a lot of the dot connecting. Whatever the case, you’re better at synthesis than I am. I haven’t really been watching the torture thing very closely; I am really losing my taste for these rituals. Don’t think I’d be observing it so acutely if I were.

        One was Truthdig anointing Feinstein and McCain as their progressive heroes of the week

        The mediation of these events by imperialist reactionaries is such a deft maneuver. One more strategem in ratcheting everything right and erasing what used to be known as left, particularly anti-imperialism. Whether or not the CIA is actually a good thing is a question that will not be posed in any forum where someone might say no. Like the Snowden Spectacle, this will ultimately affirm the security apparatus responsible for these routine horrors.

        Lately I have been wondering what all this opinion management is for, considering how passive and atomized the general population is and how overkill is now SOP for police. I guess their MO is “kill it before it grows” especially since the mechanism for doing this practically runs on autopilot, per the ACLU which, within itself, covers all the bases for managing as well as defining dissent on behalf of elites, right down to the gatekeeping liberaltarian “radical” clown. It’s really fitting that Crockford has been tongue-bathing Greenwald’s nutsack for the past year. They have the exact same function within their domains. Of course, the ACLU won’t get funded if it doesn’t approximate the approved architecture of dissent, but if you point that out, the ACLU will call you a loser on Twitter.

        I suppose there is some lingering fear in the ruling class of death by a thousand cuts, where resistance grows incrementally until it hits a genuinely threatening tipping point. And, of course, even though the ruling class as a whole will remain largely intact, there will be a few minor casualties, like, say, the odd ruined career, and naturally they instinctively work to keep those to a minimum. There will also be improved careers — a la Greenwald — and as we’ve seen that’s contingent on helpfully finding the intersection between distractingly mediagenic dissent and damage control.

  4. Lech Zaobryn says:

    Silber = Tarzie = Floyd = Bacharach = Greenwald = Davis = SMBIVA = BLCKDGRD

    gossip as “activism”

    idiocy as “enlightened perspective”

    gay sexual habit as basis for political machination wisdom

    but hey you know how to be smug and flamboyantly snarky about irrelevancies

    and hey you’ve never shown the reader what you actually know, what you’ve actually seen in any context but being a gay man looking for more cock and ass

    in Brazil and in Brooklyn
    in Castro and on Christopher
    horniness as wisdom surrogate
    gaped sphincter as experience surrogate
    cumbelly as rhetorical wizardry
    and AIDS as the cure to your egotism

    good job with the sock puppets telling you they’re (heh) glad you’re back
    beats the fuck out of saying it to your mirror reflection
    because that’s fleeting, gone when mouth stops moving
    here? ethereal eternity, zeroes and ones

    for the one zero who writes many voices
    all from the same keyboard

    must be a serious wise man
    with all that energy spent on twitter
    and in maintaining the history of
    gay leftist promotion
    i.e. endorsing Greenwald heartily
    cuz he likes cock & ass too
    so he must be on the level
    with a rising penis

    • Tarzie says:

      Dear God, Oxy. I don’t usually sling ‘closet case’ at phobes but come the fuck on. Stop trolling and get the dick. We’ll all be better off, though this erotic poetry is 100 x more entertaining than your usual spew. It gave me a chubber.

  5. forest says:

    This has to be one of the most fucked up things I’ve ever read: “The spectacle of the president’s granting pardons to torturers still makes my stomach turn. But doing so may be the only way to ensure that the American government never tortures again. Pardons would make clear that crimes were committed; that the individuals who authorized and committed torture were indeed criminals; and that future architects and perpetrators of torture should beware. Prosecutions would be preferable, but pardons may be the only viable and lasting way to close the Pandora’s box of torture once and for all.”

    Thanks for what you do here.

    • Tarzie says:

      It’s truly grotesque. We are not far from torture sending a message against torture. ACLU members should be calling for Romero’s head, but of course they won’t. The high dollar ones think the same way, no doubt.

      Thanks for reading and commenting.

  6. poppsikle says:

    If I dare mention there are bigtime problems with the ACLU, I get a host of ACLU supporters angry, even ones that have written books about Fascism and claim to be experts in how the phenomena evolves, but that is what has been happening.
    Their sell-out is loathsome, their funded pundits skewing the NSA story day and night.
    The trust people have put in them! The money!

    • Tarzie says:

      I completely agree on the skewing of the NSA story. Soghian in particular might as well be paid by Google.

      • poppsikle says:

        I would agree with that. He does so much distancing for them. But I think the ACLU is now in the pocket of Google, receiving a lot of money from them, money and even agenda directives.

  7. Dissent Now says:

    This post tells a ridiculous amount of truth in a ridiculously small number of words. Strunk & White might swoon.

  8. RUKidding says:

    Thanks to Tarzie, Lorenzo and most of the commenters. Spot on. The whole ACLU schtick was a tell at how stage-managed this whole PsyOps was. I know ACLU is pretty worthless to begin with, but to be dull, they really jumped the shark with that one.

    The servile fawning by some over the likes she-demon DiFi and totally nuts Mad Dog McCain was unbearable but topped only the even more servile fawning over that dick Cheney who was brought forth from his coffin in the dead of night to snarl at the useless eaters to STFU and deal with it. All Kabuki Show all the time.

    Only thing I can figure is that the CIA threatened DiFi in some way after spying on her – the dog only knows, that harpy has a boatload of skeletons in her gargantuan closet – that she decided to make some kind of public spectacle. But somehow also use the opportunity to get the braindead masses to ultimately go along with the Torture Good, Humane Treatment Bad message.

    Anyone who’s paid even the slightest bit of attention has known forever that the USA has tortured forever. Just ask our native American “friends,” amongst many others. Well of course the original settlers here loved ’em some torture, and the witch hunts have been used as lessons to take notes from & periodically revived for shitz ‘n grinz.

    The term/label “liberal” has become not only pointless but fetid, nasty and beyond disgusting. In the former sense of the word, it is no longer is applicable to such scum as the ACLU, much less whatevertheeff Edward Snowjob is (and thank you, Tarzie, for once taking the time to walk me through the reality of Snowjob, as that was truly helpful for me. I was a bit slow on the uptake there but have learned my lesson well).

    I said from the moment this “report” hit the decks that nothing would change, other than that idiotic US citizens would drink the Kool Aid ever more deeply and somehow manage to feel like the report “did something.” Uh, no, not really. The information in the report has equally been known for years if one took just a little time to search even slightly beyond the US propaganda machine. Ergo, how this “report” made us “less safe” is equally bogus, but of course, those who lurk or blog here know that, too. And so on.

    • mickstep says:

      Completely agree with you post, (sorry to go off topic Tarzie) just replying to RUKidding’s use of “drink the kool aid”, the whole people’s temple mass suicide, is a lot more interesting than it is given credit for.

      Rather than a cult People’s Temple was really a left wing, back to the land, agrarian movement, that was created in california by mostly black people who reasoned that they might have better more fulfilling lives in the jungles of Guyana than the slums of California getting high and in the words of Gil Scott Heron “plugging in, turning on and copping out”.

      They were getting quite a bit of positive press and even had pravda journalists visiting and writing about their movement, then one day a US senator came to pay them a visit, and tell them the games up and they were not going to be tolerated anymore, and that the GDF (Guyanan Defence Forces) were coming to turf them out, most likely massacring the people as was common practice in Latin America at the time to dispense of left wing movements that the US didn’t like. A few of the white (probably middle class hippy types) people in the group decided to leave with the senator, a militant wing within the group decided to chase down the senator and the traitors and gunned him down at the airport. Realising their fate this who remained believed that their deaths would be seen as an act of protest against a brutal US regime, they had no delusions or mad religious belief, that they would be resurrected or whatever, though many doubtless did believe in heaven etc.

      Their delusion was in thinking that anyone would see it that way, that their story wouldn’t be twisted and manipulated by US propagandists.

      Needless to say I don’t agree with their choice, but they were pacifists and I am not, I’d have been among the group gunning the senator down at the airport.

      Otherwise Jim Jones was actually a quite inspiring figure, albeit dishonest at time and should be regarded in a similar light to Che Guevara as revolutionary rather than a cult leader.

      If you want proof of my take on the events listen to the audio recordin of the death tape in which they discuss the decision they make to poison themselves.

      Out of respect to a brave revolutionary movement I don’t use the belittling phrase “drink the kool aid” and other lefties should abandon it too.

      • Tarzie says:

        That’s all very interesting, Mick, and sounds *sort of* credible. Seems odd to send a Senator to give them that news, though. I have problems with parents killing their children, even under the conditions you describe. I’m curious about your source for all this. How do you account for the tales of Jim Jones forcing people to have sex with him and being kind of a messianic weirdo? Is it all propaganda?

        If what you say is true, then yeah, I guess that phrase does belittle the people involved, though I imagine a lot of people don’t even know what the phrase comes from. I figure once a phrase becomes completely detached from its origin, its use is less problematic. But, of course, we’re not at that point yet with DTK.

      • mickstep says:

        Most of what I said in that comment can be gleaned by listening to the death tape. With an attempt to empathise and understand the situation. The conclusion that they fear that they are either going to get their heads caved in by GDF goons or get dragged back to the californian slums which they view as being equal (or worse) to getting their heads caved in is obvious.

        [audio src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/Peoples_Temple_Cult_Death_Tape_Q042.ogg" /]

        I really can’t say about the claims of sexual perversion but it is easy to posthumously smear a man and the motives to do so hardly need discussing.

        Obviously no one can agree with the rather shit tactic poisoning yourselves and your children, but that doesn’t mean we have to posthumously smear them or can’t acknowledge how remarkably successful they were as a radical movement up until that point. (Has a group of radicals ever achieved anything similar in American history?) And lie about their motives and goals?

        How many people realise they were radicals rather than a cult? How many presume they killed themselves not believing they would achieve sole kind of life after death but that presuming their lives wouldn’t be worth living after having their homes and livelihoods razed to the ground by GDF goons?

        As for it seeming a bit odd about sending the senator to do the job. I guess from the senators position he probably saw it as him pleading with Temple to come home and give up before the GDF destroys you. Either way the effect of a US official issuing the threat is the same.

        The real shame of the whole thing is that they really didn’t see their own strength, a group of their size could have probably toppled a weak, sparsely populated ex British colony and sent the white folk packing with a bit of help from the natives who would have likely sympathised with their goals.

      • Tarzie says:

        Very thought-provoking, well-considered comments. I have to admit I’ve always swallowed the story whole, which is really foolish considering the conditions and the people involved. I will listen to that audio. Thanks, Mick.

      • Peter says:

        Ignore the avi, this is from Peter, who posted it in an unrelated discussion since I have closed comments here.

        Jim Jones was a charismatic ‘monster’ and it’s spelled out quite well in a book called “Raven: The Untold Story of Rev. Jim Jones” by Reiterman. I read that book, borrowing the copy belonging to my longtime girlfriend who recommended it (“if you want to know”) and who had fled the Temple in San Francisco before it all came apart in Guyana. She was in a relationship after Jonestown for years with Jim Jones’ only natural born son, Stephen – a result of two wounded people finding one another. As best I can tell, Jim Jones used the commendable goals of racial equality and social justice as cover for his personal, absolutely abhorrent behavior. Stephen was out of country playing youth basketball when the Temple imploded and came back to the US after sorting out detention and legal troubles. Many first hand stories, none of ‘em good.

      • mickstep says:

        Well, once you’ve listened to it please give me feedback whether or not you agree with my take on it, because at this point I think I am probably alone in my reading of it.

        My interest was spurred after reading a PCR article where he implied they were all killed by the CIA which does not seem credible at all.

      • RUKidding says:

        Agree this is a very interesting take on Jim Jones and the movement he founded. I was out of the country for most of the time that the People’s Temple movement began, and I didn’t hear about the mass suicide in Guyana until probably 2 or 3 months after it happened (off the grid in Asia, which was easy to do back then pre-Internet). So I knew very little about the whole thing, other than the Drink the Kool Aid stuff, which seemed pretty horrendous.

        More recently there have been articles and documentaries about the movement, which I’ve read and watched with some puzzlement. As you indicate, there’s much that appears quite praise-worthy about what Jones was did and how he was attempting to create a more wholly free society, etc. In watching footage created by insiders at the time, it appeared to be quite a good community. I do know of communities begun around that same time that have thrived and survived, albeit the ones I’m thinking of (mostly yoga communities) have stayed somewhat more mainstream or somewhat more plugged into “American” society (fwiw).

        Jones took his group to Guyana, and there, it seems, some troubles cropped up. It seemed very unclear from the footage that survives whether Jones was actually sexually abusing anyone, albeit that DOES happen in some communities of this type. The whole “deal” with the Senator coming down is odd. It appears that some in the group in Guyana had some type of concerns and/or “bad feelings,” but that’s going to happen, too. And/or were these the usual FBI-trained insiders sent to mess with the community, as COINTELPRO, I believe, was still quite the thing at that time (and FBI continues to do similar to this day).

        Was this something engendered by the PTB to rub out a truly communal group enjoying true multiracial harmony (or close to it)?? Since I was someone who was somewhat out of the loop during the time period that this happened, I felt like someone newly introduced to the whole scene more recently with a somewhat fresher mind & perspective. It did cross my mind – fwiw – that it seemed damned odd that everything caved in so quickly and in such a dramatic fashion.

        Well a lot of conspiracy stuff has been proven to be true these days, and we see how evil and venal the PTB are in this nation. They certainly don’t give a stuff if anyone dies. People WERE more aware of that back in the ’70s and early ’80s, and people WERE attempting – no matter how feeble – to find ways to live more outside the system. Some have thrived to a degree and carried on; some failed, as is always going to be the case.

        Thanks for the insights on this. nothing would surprise me at this point. It is not good that the parents made their kids drink the Kool Aid, but on some small level, it’s very slightly understandable, if these are the true circumstances. Thanks.

      • mickstep says:

        RUKIdding: More recently there have been articles and documentaries about the movement, which I’ve read and watched with some puzzlement.

        I havent found them, and would be very much appreciative of you posting them.

  9. You kooks are all just missing the fine point of Romero’s piece.

    The Debate! It just didn’t stick this time, oh well win some lose some cash that check.

    • Mallam says:

      See, I thought it was a lot less about getting people to talk about bringing criminal charges, and more to establish “wrongdoing” in the public writ large’s heads. The State and/or CIA will obviously do what they want regardless of the Law. Do nothing, pardon them…makes no difference.

      Of course, setting aside the rank immorality of both the action (pardoning) and the argument (really, Romero?), I could just as easily see such a move backfiring, and in our era of raw partisanship the public sees it through the MSM lens as another political catfight where they need to take a side (Americans are already fairly gung-ho about torture, as per recent polling). The Banality of Evil, flocks following the leaders where they take them and all that jazz.

      Of course, we are already seeing it with calls for Cheney’s head while the torture state lives on with the black sites and renditions, but abundant other war crimes are being committed with the drone war (or are indiscriminate and disproportionate killing of civilians not a war crime anymore?). Comes with the territory of running an empire, I suppose.

      Sigh…at least I have here for some sanity.

      • Tarzie says:

        but abundant other war crimes are being committed

        Yeah, that’s a problem of the way these discussions are mediated. Singular focus that ends up minimizing.

  10. diane says:

    (Messed up the html end italics code on my last comment, very sorry, corrected below.)

    Late to the commentary, ….. been mulling. …

    Wonder how many of the ‘jumpers’ called the ACLU at some point in their lives only to wish they had not. ….

    i.e.: Heh – the after shocks of that Golden [NOPE: Actually, dried blood hued red] Gated Meritocra$y – we’ll point at you non coders (and also native born coders) who actually created the warm hugging ambience and gut of a city, as subhumans who do not deserve even a roof over your heads, implying that perhaps you should just totally disappear.

    YET, in a stunningly venal and highly publicized effort, prevent you from disappearing (while chiding you for getting the message that you are totally unwanted). Much more pleasurable to institute Hell On Earth, with do not sit, lay, or beg for food and unaffordable shelter ……. LAWZ.

    Venal Fuckers, …I’m gonna attempt stay alive to spite the scum, though, like that young man who took his life after thoroughly breaking apart yesterday ..and taking two with him, sometimes it is just too much to bear for so very many. I don’t fault them, when they break like that, …the fault lies there, in [the] UZ.

  11. diane says:

    Happy Holidays, Tarzie.

    Thank you, so very much, for allowing me to voice my mulllings; you’ve likely no clue how very special and life saving that has been, as it should be.

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