The Mysterious Case Of Jill Stein’s Surging Recount Costs

Zero Hedge via Arthur Silber:

Just yesterday we noted that Jill Stein was acting on behalf of Hillary Clinton to raise money for recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.  As we noted then, we continue to be astonished by the amount of money flowing into the fundraising campaign and would love to see which of Hillary’s mega donors have spent the most on the effort…somehow we suspect this isn’t just a “grassroots organizing” effort as Stein described it.

So, in less than 1 day, Jill Stein raised over $3mm, which is more than the $2mm needed to force a recount in Wisconsin.  While she attributed the accomplishment to “the power of grassroots organizing,” we would tend to be a little more skeptical and would love to see exactly where those donations came from.  Then again, maybe we’re wrong and there really are just that many disaffected snowflakes out there willing to blow their money on an extreme long shot.


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17 Responses to The Mysterious Case Of Jill Stein’s Surging Recount Costs

  1. No soy yo says:

    Beyond all the other issues (and there are many), $3 million in attorneys’ fees for one four-week project–one that won’t really be spread evenly over 4 weeks? Even in NYC that would be ridiculous; even if it somehow went to the Supreme Court, considering the timeline, $3 million is so over the top.

    But as has been the case all month, I’m a bit stumped about the motives/players. Are Hillary and/or DNC folks pushing this behind the scenes, is Jill trying to get fame and fortune for herself or her next race, is this just a distraction? All of the above? (obviously Hillary supporters are putting in big bucks, but there could be different motivations behind that, and Jill’s motives could align or be different from theirs, etc)

    • Tarzie says:

      That Stein has framed her recount bid entirely in the reactionary, anti-Russian terms of the DNC can mean only one of two things: yes, she is doing the bidding of the Democrats and their sponsors or she is being uncharacteristically pragmatic in pursuit of another agenda, by framing her recount effort in terms that will attract Clinton dollars. Since she has said any surplus will go toward “election integrity efforts and to promote voting system reform” it’s hard to see anything here but yet one more campaign for transparancy whitewashing systemic cancer, regardless of the master she serves.

      Since she does not have the the backing of The Green Party, which even declined to help manage the contributions for her, any agenda she’s working here that isn’t the Democrats’ would seem to be personal. To increase the odiousness quotient, she’s jumped on the bandwagon of sneering at George Soros theories via a characteristically witless #IfSorosPaidForTheRecount hashtag, as if she can possibly know where those $4000 per hour donations did and didn’t come from.

      As for the Democrats and their sponsors, I think their motives are right on the surface. They’re really not happy with how the election turned out. They want to keep challenging the legitimacy of the Trump presidency and staunch the bleeding from the Party itself as a viable political entity that anyone who isn’t a finance capitalist should get within a hundred feet of.

      • No soy yo says:

        “They want to keep challenging the legitimacy of the Trump presidency and staunch the bleeding from the Party itself as a viable political entity that anyone who isn’t a finance capitalist should get within a hundred feet of.” I agree with this, and this has been true of the “protests,” as well. I am just not convinced they actually think the election results will be turned around as unhappy with the results as they might be. If they were going to make a serious play at the EC level or recounts etc., I feel like we would be hearing a lot more in MM about illegitimacy rather than how terrible Trump’s picks are and how terrible a president he is. And having someone who got 2% of the vote and wasn’t seen as a “real” candidate challenge Trump’s legitimacy doesn’t really do it for me. Especially since the message is that it’s especially the Stein voters and non-voters who need to come back to the Democratic fold. Yes, the recount keeps the Russians in the limelight (and timing of WaPo article may be significant). But like I have said previously, I just feel like there’s more going on than what’s at the surface, though I can’t put my finger on it.

      • Tarzie says:

        Well I don’t see the objectives I mentioned as being contingent on winning this battle, though I don’t share your certainty that they know they’re fighting a lost cause. Nor do I have the same hunch you do that there’s something else going on under the surface, though I should have included whipping up russo-phobia as being on the menu also. Plenty seems to be going on at the surface to warrant everything they’re doing. Prolonging the election cycle is a win for capital generally.

      • No soy yo says:

        That of course was supposed to be what a terrible president Trump will be, not is!

      • walterglass4 says:

        Have to be honest, until I read this comment it hadn’t occurred to me that Stein was doing this on her own without GP backing, I just hadn’t looked closely enough. Looked more into it and Rosa Clemente, former Green VP candidate, has been uncompromising about this on Twitter:

      • walterglass4 says:

        Clemente has been great throughout this election, if I remember correctly she also denounced the call to have Bernie join the Green ticket.

      • Tarzie says:

        I saw she was quite critical of Jill Stein for some time on Twitter, but I didn’t follow the beef very closely.

      • No soy yo says:

        I just commented on a previous thread that after removing “foreign agents” from the recall plea, it’s back prominently on her site, so it’s clear that promoting that is much of the agenda.

        “After a divisive and painful presidential race, in which foreign agents hacked into party databases, private email servers, and voter databases in certain states, many Americans are wondering if our election results are reliable. That’s why the unexpected results of the election and reported anomalies need to be investigated before the 2016 presidential election is certified. We deserve elections we can trust.” — Dr. Jill Stein.”

  2. robert says:

    “two millions bucks to challenge the election”? huh? how does throwing money at something equate to some kind of “democratic challenge” to the electoral system or whatever? if your principal obstacle is getting people to *throw money* at your issue, so you can hire lawyers for the cause, shouldn’t you go work for the clinton fdtn or soros or bono, if you aren’t already?

  3. ScumWithHer says:

    The idea of non-Americans having an influence on things that Americans do to them is sickening to me.

  4. Rob Payne says:

    Why would any sane person trust someone that tells you that they want to “lead” you to a better life out of the goodness of their heart? First Bernie tried to sheep herd his betrayed followers into the Clinton camp, and now Stein seems to be doing the same. Tribalism drives everything pertaining to national elections. Issues are all straw men, nobody really gives a fuck about issues. Both candidates are awful but their supporters didn’t give a flying fuck about that. I was hoping this farce of an election was over but then hope was never a great plan. I wish it would just end, I was sick to death of it before it began and now it seems endless. Shit. There’s more important issues than this election. Elections like this are totally unimportant. Tis nothing but a changing of the sock puppets. Capitalism has turned everyone into a commodity and whores, self-induced slavery. What about the Native Americans being brutalized by hired thugs? Never hear much about that do we. Hill and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of money. Hill fell down and lost her crown and Jill came tumbling after. Who says conspiracies don’t happen?

  5. Hummus says:

    Plant lady fucking up yo

  6. Finally, one of the super long posts I love to read. Good to have you back Rancid.

  7. Coffee Drinker says:

    Brad Friedman of Brad Blog, who is something of an expert on state election laws, voting machines and election fraud, said in a recent podcast I listened to that Jill Stein had told him in an earlier podcast that all the money she has requested, including additional funds later requested, were required in order to pay for the recounts because the states charge for this service. And that the amounts requested were not out of line with the anticipated costs.

    So the allegation Jill is raising the money for some purpose apart from vote recounts would seem to be unfounded. Of course, where the money came from and who put Jill up to this is another matter. I wonder if the former, apparently baseless, allegations might have been planted to divert attention from the latter, far more important questions raised on this blog.

    • Tarzie says:

      So the allegation Jill is raising the money for some purpose apart from vote recounts would seem to be unfounded.

      Since Wisconsin alone wants to charge 3 million for a hand count, that seems about right. I think the mutating attorney fee estimates are weird, but I don’t really care. TBH, I’d love it if Stein *were* fleecing entitled liberal sore losers and large donors if she did it without briefs and rhetoric that could have come straight from the DNC. As you suggest, its the recount itself, its funders, and the shape it took that matter. Accusations of scamming are a useless distraction whether intended as such or not.

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